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samelaWed Jul-23-03 11:27 AM
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"Fresh Seymour Hersh"


          

It's all about Syria ... how they were giving us great intelligence on Al Qaeda, really wanted a "back door" to improve relations with Washington. Till they failed to support us on Iraq and we did that raid at the border, killing up to 80. It's a morality tale about how the Bushies want no part of realpolitik ... they are hardcore ideologues to the bitter end, even when they are cutting off their own noses to spite their faces. A very interesting read that touches on issues of Al Qaeda, Iraq, and the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030728fa_fact


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dedalusWed Jul-23-03 12:42 PM
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"Interesting bit from Baer--the Bushies don't want to know?"
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I've been seeing this Baer guy making the rounds for his book. He says the Syrians could names Saudis involved in financing groups like the Muslim Brotherhood, and the suggestion seems to be that maybe that's something this Admin. doesn't want to know.

But then, when I saw Baer the other day, he was saying the best thing to happen in Saudi Arabia would be if the royal family was somehow toppled...and then we went in and took over. Sheesh.

  

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dedalusThu Jul-24-03 06:16 AM
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"Bush ignores intelligence on Al-Qaeda?"
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The more I thought about this story after I read it yesterday, the more I thought it deserved more attention. It didn't really sink in at first, maybe because my opinion of the Admin. is so low, but really this story should be right up there with the yellowcake.

Maybe it just needs a grabber headline like the above? Other suggestions?

Maybe it's because the lead gets buried, in a sense, behind the story of the raid on the Syrian border. But here's what we've got:

--Syria trying to help itself by turning over intelligence on Al Qaeda, who are of no benefit to them;

--the Bushies turning down the intelligence over Syria's lack of support on Iraq, amongst other things;

--this, from an Admin. that claims Clinton harmed intelligence by refusing to deal with unsavory sources of intelligence;

--and yet again, a rift between the intelligence community and the neo-cons...

Here's an excerpt if you don't want to read the lengthy piece:

"In Washington, there was anger about what many officials saw as the decision of the Bush Administration to choose confrontation with Syria over day-to-day help against Al Qaeda. In a sense, the issue was not so much Syria itself as a competition between ideology and practicality—and between the drive to go to war in Iraq and the need to fight terrorism—which has created a deep rift in the Bush Administration. The collapse of the liaison relationship has left many C.I.A. operatives especially frustrated. “The guys are unbelievably pissed that we’re blowing this away,” a former high-level intelligence official told me. “There was a great channel at Aleppo. The Syrians were a lot more willing to help us, but they”—Rumsfeld and his colleagues—“want to go in there next.”

“There is no security relationship now,” a Syrian foreign-ministry official told me. “It saddens us as much as it saddens you. We could give you information on organizations that we don’t think should exist. If we help you on Al Qaeda, we are helping ourselves.” He added, almost plaintively, that if Washington had agreed to discuss certain key issues in a back channel, “we’d have given you more. But when you publicly try to humiliate a country it’ll become stubborn.”

I think the volume needs turning up on this...

  

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samelaThu Jul-24-03 06:21 AM
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"Shall I change the header to ..."
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Administration refuses Syrian intelligence on Al Qaeda?

I can't think of anything punchy enough. It's a complex story. But you've got it exactly right.


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dedalusThu Jul-24-03 06:34 AM
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"Or "Rummy Involved in Thai Sex Scandal"?"
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You're right, once again we're stuck with a complex story. Maybe the folks at Buzzflash could pump it up.

In a way, it's the inverse of the yellowcake story--there, they'd grasp onto any intelligence to serve their ends. Here, they won't even reach over to grab some from the guys that should know...

This, from our heroic commander in cheap who'd do ANYTHING to "smoke 'em out"...

  

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