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  Like the Bushistas are going to start following the rules now!,
gratuitous,
Mar-12-04 01:08 PM, #1
 Ever see "Bob Roberts" with Tim Robbins?,
Party_like_its_2004,
Mar-12-04 01:09 PM, #2
 Holy shucking fit!,
Praxxus,
Mar-12-04 01:13 PM, #3
  Sent to me by an ex-military relative...,
picosecond,
Mar-12-04 01:19 PM, #5
  RE: Holy shucking fit! Batman!,
Cherri,
Mar-12-04 11:26 PM, #12
 But ... but ... they're probably actors,
samela,
Mar-12-04 01:17 PM, #4
  There ya go!,
gratuitous,
Mar-12-04 01:25 PM, #6
  Oh, of course, but still!,
JoyceH,
Mar-12-04 03:01 PM, #11
 Uh. Aren't these guys Republicans?,
concerned citizen,
Mar-12-04 01:33 PM, #7
 Then Kerry should do the same...show what W's done...,
dedalus,
Mar-12-04 02:08 PM, #8
 You're sorta right... Send this to Atrios, CalPundit and Marshall...,
monkeyfister,
Mar-12-04 02:13 PM, #9
  Ya mind doing it for me?,
picosecond,
Mar-12-04 02:29 PM, #10
  Ha, ha....,
CarbonDate,
Mar-12-04 11:48 PM, #13
  I think the regs are in these,
Cherri,
Mar-13-04 03:39 AM, #14
 Is Bush avoiding any military duty in the ads?,
E. L. Taggert,
Mar-13-04 02:45 PM, #15
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"Ever see "Bob Roberts" with Tim Robbins?"
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It reminds me of the "flowers and inspirations music"
...it's a new day dawning.... Vote Bob.
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samela | Fri Mar-12-04 01:17 PM |
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"But ... but ... they're probably actors"
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So no law broken here. It's all fake. Forrest Gump type trick photography stuff. CGI. Lord of the Rings.
It's just gay off-Broadway stars dressed up in military uniforms and computer matted into flight and combat scenes.
The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. — John F. Kennedy
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JoyceH | Fri Mar-12-04 03:01 PM |
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"Oh, of course, but still!"
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I still think the question needs to be asked. Some bold person at the gaggle asking Scotty if BushCo got the permission of those military members to use their images and how does that square with military regs against engaging in political activities while in uniform. Make them ADMIT they used actors, and that everything about the ads, just like everything about Bush himself, is PHONY!
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"Uh. Aren't these guys Republicans?"
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so why even the question? They've broken so many laws at this point, why would they start to follow the rules now?
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dedalus | Fri Mar-12-04 02:08 PM |
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"Then Kerry should do the same...show what W's done..."
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Kerry can run ads of our men and women in uniform, as he scrolls text over them showing all the benefits that W's been cutting, the military base schools he's been closing, and so on...
Wait, bad idea. He'd have to purchase a half hour slot for that--30 or 60 seconds won't do...
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monkeyfister | Fri Mar-12-04 02:13 PM |
Member since Dec 28th 2002
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"You're sorta right... Send this to Atrios, CalPundit and Marshall..."
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Please include my caveats if you do...
As well, of course, Bart. You've got the goods, there, Bubba.
CAVEATS-- However, there ARE a few technicalities that might hang the argument up. The specificity of the REG is aimed at INDIVIDUAL troops saying, "My name is Seaman Shmucketelli, and I endorse Candidate X." This is the issue that makes it so darned fun to have political discussions in the smoke shack at work. While in uniform, the troops can't join in the discussion-- only listen. (while in uniform)
In the case of this Bu$h ad, no troop is put in that situation. No nametags are readable, and with two exceptions, no faces are recognizable. Now, I DO wonder if the recognizable troops signed a waiver to use their faces for the ads. If they did-- THEY are in trouble. If they did not, then the Shrub is in trouble. This is some slicing for the lawyers. BTW-- the uniform regs are pretty er, uniform across the DoD for all services.
If Team Shrub used stock DoD footage, then the issue, I believe, is dead. Is it appropriate for DoD to appear to support one Candidate? Can Kerry also request footage? If Shrub's Ad Co. did local shoots for these troops, then there is another problem which ties into the above-- permission waivers and intent (free endorsement? Did the troop get paid?)-- again, for the lawyers to address.
Sidebar... You'll notice that all Navy ads have the troop's nametag fuzzed out, or the name is erased-- for their protection, but they are all real sailors, and they're not promoting anything but Navy-- and totally voluntarily/non-compensatory.
In this Shrub ad, there is a tacit implication that the troops actually DO support the Shrub as individuals and as a group.
I think that Atrios, Josh Marshall and CalPundit should get this though. They get gazillions of hits per day, and their comments pages are pretty incredible, most of the time. Plenty of media folk read them every day, and if it passes those three's scrutiney and gets used, then there is hope for the case.
Interesting grab there-- thanks for noticing it.
I won't be able to ask anyone here until Monday, let's talk this one out... I'll be able to add some deep thoughts actually backed by THE REGS on Monday...
Tony B.
Just got a big, fat raise, today-- 10G-- two steps to GS-11 (woot woo!) they actually LIKE ME!!!
"CODE BLUE". The MOON Primer Mad Cow Info Source Creepin' fascism. That's what we're looking at." Ivins
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CarbonDate | Fri Mar-12-04 11:48 PM |
Member since May 31st 2002
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"Ha, ha...."
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I had political discussions all the time in uniform... and at work.
Of course, you mainly work with officers, don't you? That's a little different. Enlisted slime are allowed to say and think what we want (presumably because our opinions don't matter), but we're not allowed to engage in "official campaign functions" in uniform.
Telling the NCO sitting across from me that I wanted Bush out wasn't a violation of Air Force regs, but saying it to a news crew while in uniform would have been. That was my understanding.
Oh, and appearing in a campaign ad. That would've been a violation, too.
"The cameras' eyes on choice disguised Was it cast for the mass who burn and toil? Or for the vultures who thirst for blood and oil?"
Rage Against the Machine
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Cherri | Sat Mar-13-04 03:39 AM |
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"I think the regs are in these"
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