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MasterBenTue Aug-09-05 08:00 AM
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"How can a Neo-con be a Christian?"


          

As I understand the teachings of Jesus Christ, it does not seem to me as though a Neo-con could conceivably be a real Christian;

Luke 10:25-37 - The Parable of The Good Samaritan - Says that we need to help those in trouble, and that ALL men are your neighbors. It does not say that only straight people are your neighbors. It does not say that only Christian people are your neighbors. It does not say that only Republican people are your neighbors. For an example of Neo-con hypocrisy on this topic one need only look at the recent and continuing attacks on Andy Stephenson; We, many of us non-Christians rose up to help this sick man and the Neo-cons did their best to prevent us from helping him. Their reasons; First, a deep and abiding homophobia, which shows up in both their attacks on Andy and on me. Second, that we are not Republicans. To a Neo-con, death is too good for a "fag" or for anybody who opposes their Fearless Leader.

Matthew 18:21-19:1 - The Parable of The Unmerciful Servant - Says that we need to forgive our debtors, and that we shouldn't be hypocrites about it. For an example of Neo-con hypocrisy on this topic, we need only look at the bankruptcy bill, and the Neo-con vendettas against those who offended them long ago, like Jane Fonda.

Matthew 6:24-34 (and Luke 12:24-27) - The Parable of The Birds of Heaven and The Lilies of the Field - You cannot serve God and also seek after material wealth. For an example you need only look at "The Prayer of Jabez", which perverts the Bible into a black magickal tool of greed. Or the burying of a St. Joseph statue in the back yard to get a house to sell. Both are examples of perverting the words of Christianity as a tool to serve Mammon.

Matthew 22:37-39 - "You shall love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the greatest and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself." For an example of Neo-con hypocrisy on this one, you only need look to the pronouncements of PNAC and the aggressive war fought with Iraq, abandoning all diplomacy. All men are neighbors, as we established above. And are not Iraqis men? More on this topic; John 14:27 - Jesus said, "Peace I leave with you. My peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid." Matthew 5:8-9 - "Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God."

I could cite MANY more verses of scripture in Christ's own words.

I ask you, and I ask you neo-cons who hang on my every word; How can you call yourself a Christian without the words lodging in your throats and choking you to death?

  

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You mean the Christians who read the Gospels? Can't. nt, jimmymac, Aug-09-05 08:02 AM, #1
Stay out of that New Testament!!, NeonLX, Aug-09-05 08:15 AM, #2
Actually, there is an OT verse that the neocons would trouble with..., JimboTex, Aug-09-05 10:13 PM, #11
How can one not?, CarbonDate, Aug-09-05 09:54 AM, #3
See, there ya go., NeonLX, Aug-09-05 10:14 AM, #5
      But Jesus was the New Covenant!, MasterBen, Aug-09-05 10:25 AM, #6
           Unless yer a rightard who wants to cast stones., NeonLX, Aug-09-05 11:02 AM, #8
                Best of both worlds, indeed., CarbonDate, Aug-10-05 11:59 AM, #12
RE: How can a Neo-con be a Christian?, Master Mahon, Aug-09-05 10:13 AM, #4
The Mousetrap....A short parable, Master Mahon, Aug-09-05 10:27 AM, #7
      For an omnipotent being...., CarbonDate, Aug-09-05 11:53 AM, #9
           Like the ineffectual headmaster of a chaotic, secondharmonic, Aug-09-05 12:00 PM, #10

jimmymacTue Aug-09-05 08:02 AM
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"You mean the Christians who read the Gospels? Can't. nt"
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nt

  

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NeonLXTue Aug-09-05 08:15 AM
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"Stay out of that New Testament!!"
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The legalistic Old Testament is where any self-righteous neocon ought to concentrate. Lots of stoning others for their transcretions in there.

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JimboTexTue Aug-09-05 10:13 PM
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"Actually, there is an OT verse that the neocons would trouble with..."
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Edited on Tue Aug-09-05 10:14 PM by JimboTex

          

Micah 6:8 "He has told you, O mortal, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?" (New Revised Standard Version)

The verse is the basis for one of my favorite hymns of all time when I was a teenager.

Other verses that seem to be missing from the Neocon Standard Version Bible:

Matthew 25:40 "And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me." (King James Version - via Skeptic's Annotated Bible)

Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson in particular seem to have trouble with this next one:

Matthew 6:5-6 "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward." (King James Version - via Skeptic's Annotated Bible)

Psalms 41:1 "Blessed is he that considereth the poor." (King James Version - via Skeptic's Annotated Bible)

That's definately NOT for the "up by your bootstraps" types. Speaking of which, there's also the Beatitudes:

Matthew 5:3-12 "Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you." (King James Version - via Skeptic's Annotated Bible)

Yes,Virginia,I do have a blog.

  

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CarbonDateTue Aug-09-05 09:54 AM
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"How can one not?"
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Edited on Tue Aug-09-05 09:55 AM by CarbonDate

          

Num 31: 7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.

Num 31:14-18 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle. And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Deut 7:2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:

Deut 20:13-17 And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations. But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:

http://tinyurl.com/exo93

How can one not be a neo-conservative and be a Christian?

Sorry to point out the unpleasentries, but Christianity isn't all just a bunch of "love thy neighbor" stuff. There's actually some pretty horrific stuff contained in that religion's most holy of texts. Their sky god orders the wanton slaughter of numerous civilizations. It's not people perverting the text; it's right there in the text for everybody to read.

Christianity, once you strip past the feel-good teachings of Jesus, is an evil religion.

  

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NeonLXTue Aug-09-05 10:14 AM
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"See, there ya go."
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the OT is where you want to concentrate, if'n yer a good neocon.

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MasterBenTue Aug-09-05 10:25 AM
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"But Jesus was the New Covenant!"
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The Old Testament represents the Old Covenant, and in any place where the New contradicts the Old, the New overrides.

  

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NeonLXTue Aug-09-05 11:02 AM
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"Unless yer a rightard who wants to cast stones."
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Then ya stick to the OT stuff--'cept yer soul still gets saved by believin' in Jesus (but only the resurrection part, not all that limp-wristed teaching of his while he lived). Best of both worlds, see?

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CarbonDateWed Aug-10-05 11:59 AM
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"Best of both worlds, indeed."
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Christianity is the perfect religion for tyrannical rulers. They can call upon the Old Testament to justify their own actions, but when preaching to their subjects, they bring out the New Testament, which teaches the mongrels of the world to submit to their beatings. In death will be their reward.

  

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Master MahonTue Aug-09-05 10:13 AM
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"RE: How can a Neo-con be a Christian?"
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The same way the 'crusaders' were christian?

The same way Islamic 'extremists' can be Muslims.

and so on and so on...........

I believe, In reality they are the 'sons of perdition'!

  

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Master MahonTue Aug-09-05 10:27 AM
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"The Mousetrap....A short parable"
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In my eyes, this is the christianity we have here in the US today, and probably how it'll turn out!
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A mouse looked through the crack in the wall to see the farmer and his
wife opening a package thinking "What food might this contain?"

He was devastated to discover it was a mousetrap.

Retreating to the farmyard, the mouse proclaimed the warning. "There's a
mousetrap in the house! There's a mousetrap in the house!"

The chicken clucked and scratched, raised her head and said "Mr. Mouse,
I can tell this is a grave concern to you, but it is of no consequence
to me. I cannot be bothered by it."

The mouse turned to the pig and told him, "There is a mousetrap in the
house." The pig sympathized but said, "I am so very sorry Mr. Mouse,
but there is nothing I can do about it."

The mouse turned to the cow. She said, "Wow, Mr. Mouse. I'm sorry for
you. But it's no skin off my nose."

So the mouse returned to the house, head down and dejected, to face the
farmer's mousetrap alone.

That very night a sound was heard throughout the house....the sound of a
mousetrap catching its prey.

The farmer's wife rushed to see what was caught. In the darkness she did
not see that it was a venomous snake whose tail the trap had caught.

The snake bit the farmer's wife. The farmer rushed her to the hospital,
where she was treated but was returned home with a terribly swollen hand
and a fever.

Now everyone knows you treat a fever with fresh chicken soup, so the
farmer took his hatchet to the farmyard for the soup's main ingredient.

But his wife's sickness continued, so friends and neighbors came to sit
with her around the clock. To feed them, the farmer butchered the pig.

The farmer's wife did not get well. She died. So many people came for
her funeral the farmer had the cow slaughtered to provide enough meat
for all of them.

And so it was.....for lack of concern, the chicken, pig and cow all
become "involved" in the mouse's problem.
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So next time you hear that someone is facing a problem and think that it
doesn't concern you, remember that when one of us is threatened, we are
all at risk.

In the book of Genesis, Cain, when asked by God about the whereabouts of
Abel, his brother, replied: "Am I my brother's keeper?"

Professing innocence to sins of commission or omission is not
acceptable.

We are all involved in this journey called life. We should keep an eye
out for one another and be willing to make that extra effort to
encourage and support one another.

And when it's time to pitch in, let's not look the other way....

The core of advocacy is "voca"....the voice. Speaking up about an
injustice is not only an opportunity, it's an obligation.

  

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CarbonDateTue Aug-09-05 11:53 AM
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"For an omnipotent being...."
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...YHWH sure is... um... air-headed in Genesis. Kind of like Bush....

  

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secondharmonicTue Aug-09-05 12:00 PM
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"Like the ineffectual headmaster of a chaotic"
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English Public Boarding School, eh? One who is, "strictly speaking", not actually responsible for anything?

  

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