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MadSatyristWed Oct-04-06 02:09 AM
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I have concluded that Republicans were correct about one thing in the attempts to impeach Bill Clinton for having a consenual affair while President. The President and the majority party do set the moral tone of the nation.

The recent upswing of perverse sexual attacks culminating in the attack on the Amish school in Pennsylvania, are not by chance. It cannot be chance for this upswing to occur during a national discussion of torture which ended with the passage by Congress of a bill designed to make torture legal under some circumstances, and place the President under immunity from prosecution for ordering such. Sadistic predators are obsessed with such discussion, they gloat over it, drool over it, and the passage of such a bill will have been seen as a signal that their perversions are now acceptable, their fantasies can become realities, and their obsessions are now normal. Congress sent the message, and the response is clearly "Message Received".

And it isn't only in the US. This apparent approval is being heard, and acted on, world wide. Sadistic torture murders are very much on the rise. And now, to my shame, some of them will be legal in the United States.

Other messages have been sent as well. Recently, in Nashville, a woman and an illegal immigrant were convicted of murdering her husband. The immigrant was her sex toy who had been living in a 2 by 8 closet for months. When the husband investigated noises coming from the closet, he jumped out and killed him, probably with the help of the wife. Both have been convicted of murder in the first degree.

What message has the reigning party sent about immigrants, over and over again? They've said very plainly that we should take advantage of illegals, that they are a great resource, and we can use them for things we cannot ask another American to do.

And the response from Nashville was "Message Received".

People, this can't go on. We cannot continue to send such messages as part and parcel of the official policy of the United States, lest our fragile social fabric be torn asunder forever.

The next election will be perhaps the most important of this century, because it represents a chance for America to send a new message, a message clearly stating that we the people find this unacceptable. We cannot continue along these lines, because if we do we fail and fall as a people.

Please, Republicans, Democrats, everyone, send a different message.

It's the most patriotic thing you can do.

  

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I blogged this., CarbonDate, Oct-04-06 02:28 AM, #1
No problem, MadSatyrist, Oct-04-06 04:32 AM, #3
de facto "moral leader" seriously flawed, skippy, Oct-04-06 04:10 AM, #2
      What's there is old, official approval is brand new. (nt), MadSatyrist, Oct-04-06 04:33 AM, #4
           official approval is as old as the hills-nt, skippy, Oct-04-06 04:44 AM, #5
                Not as a part of the legal system of the US., MadSatyrist, Oct-04-06 07:14 AM, #6
                     want examples?, skippy, Oct-04-06 07:35 AM, #7
                          I said "Longer than I've been alive". I didn't mean from that far back..., MadSatyrist, Oct-04-06 12:45 PM, #8

CarbonDateWed Oct-04-06 02:28 AM
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"I blogged this."
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Giving you credit, of course. Couldn't have said it better myself.

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MadSatyristWed Oct-04-06 04:32 AM
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"No problem"
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I've always said, I've no illusions about the commercial value of my "deathless" prose. Blog away, but I do like getting credit. Thanks!

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skippyWed Oct-04-06 04:10 AM
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"de facto "moral leader" seriously flawed"
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Edited on Wed Oct-04-06 04:13 AM by skippy

          

Quote:

Originally posted by MadSatyrist

The President and the majority party do set the moral tone of the nation.

People, this can't go on. We cannot continue to send such messages as part and parcel of the official policy of the United States, lest our fragile social fabric be torn asunder forever.


That first sentance above tends to be true generally...you heard all kinds of comments during the clinton blowjob scandal about how all the children would grow up to be pervs because of what the president did. "President does A. Therefore, I also do A."

in 3rd grade, we had another way of saying it. "Monkey see, Monkey do."

A culture that operates that way is in DEEP shit. Millions of people, walking around aimlessly, looking for behavioral cues from some elected official, thirsting to follow whichever way he/she goes, even if it's straight into a shit pit. that ain't good.

As for "this can't go on"...sadly, it's part of our "fragile social fabric."

the neo kons are simply exploiting what's already there.



skp

  

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MadSatyristWed Oct-04-06 04:33 AM
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"What's there is old, official approval is brand new. (nt)"
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Delusions, errors and lies are like huge, gaudy vessels, the rafters of which are rotten and worm-eaten, and those who embark in them are fated to be shipwrecked. Buddha

  

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skippyWed Oct-04-06 04:44 AM
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"official approval is as old as the hills-nt"
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MadSatyristWed Oct-04-06 07:14 AM
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"Not as a part of the legal system of the US."
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The US has forbidden torture for long than I've been alive, by both statute and treaty.

By "official", I mean that law, passed by Congress and approved by both houses and signed by the President, that authorizes torture, has not heretofore been present.

IOW, I see a very sharp distinction between "Administration policy" and "Official US legal policy". Maybe I wasn't clear.

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skippyWed Oct-04-06 07:35 AM
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"Separate but Equal"
Japanese Internment
the institution of Slavery...hoo-boy...that 'un goes WAY back
Trail of Tears...just part of an entire campaign of ethnic cleansing and genocide...


I could go on and on, but do I really have to?

As to whether something is or was "an official policy" or written as law or not is merely incidental at best.

In other words, this country, this culture, this species has very dirty undies when it comes to doing the right thing.


skp

  

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MadSatyristWed Oct-04-06 12:45 PM
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"I said "Longer than I've been alive". I didn't mean from that far back..."
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Admitted, if you get into pre 1900 times, you've got some fairly rough pills to swallow. I didn't say "forever".

In the modern era, by which I mean since Roosevelt took over from the old crop of idiots, torture was banned, and then made punishable, no matter what the reason or who you were.

And that's the ethos of the modern era, at least until Bush changes it.

I really don't think sadistic predators get off on history books. Or, at least, very few of them do. But I'm certain many of them are absolutely fascinated by the GITMO proceedings, and by the protections being offered to the people who committed these crimes. Surely, the thought must occur, "I want to do this and they get PERMISSION to do it, so why can't I?".

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